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"providing a set ... By: soulhunger1. on 13 Nov 08, 22:09:38 "providing a set code of morals"
They say that Christian morality is an oxymoron. Wishing an eternity of suffering on others for their beliefs, for their actions, or for their choices does seem a bit hypocritical when Christians often believe their religion holds a monopoly on morality. If you've read the bible, there are plenty of examples of extreme punishments for mundane misbehavior. If those are the morals you speak of, our society is clearly a better judge of them than god is.
Well said. By: soulhunger1. on 13 Nov 08, 21:57:31 Well said.
It's based on ... By: darktango78. on 22 Oct 08, 16:33:34 It's based on definitions, differences in definitions, and showing how the associated concepts are not interchangeable.
As far as "telling," you may, of course, suggest and debate as much as you like with those that are open to it.
But when you "tell" me how to live my life, I'm going to hold you to a higher standard of proof than I will a scientist who conjectures parallel universes.
Haha, that whole ... By: diligentdisciple. on 22 Oct 08, 07:15:50 Haha, that whole video was based on word choice. How dare we tell you a better way to live your life? How dare we try to protect you and your families by providing a set code of morals and ethics, rather than letting human nature erode everything civilization is set on. Sorry we, as Christians, care about your well-being.
Jesus bless, and have a great night.
Nice one! By: wordavee. on 06 Aug 08, 16:23:58 Nice one!
Thanks!
I hadn't ... By: darktango78. on 22 May 08, 13:58:27 Thanks!
I hadn't noticed they'd been marked as spam. Most likely it was someone that was upset by the video. I'll try and undo that now.
Great video, simple ... By: sapperbloggs. on 22 May 08, 13:56:43 Great video, simple and to the point.
Why have all your comments been marked as spam?
Well, I believe ... By: socionomic. on 06 Mar 08, 02:05:23 Well, I believe that doubting a conjecture is one of the "correcting practices" that make such a belief scientific (as opposed to religious). Yet even with the aid of uncertainty and the other measures you mention in your video, in practice, science is more similar to religion than it is in theory. But your point is well taken, and I've only belabored the issue because I don't want it to be simplified for the sake of sanctifying science. Thanks for the discussion, darktango78.
socionomic: " ... By: darktango78. on 05 Mar 08, 21:12:30 socionomic: "scientific conjecture in the form of theory is only better than religious conjecture because of correcting practices that check such conjecture."
You are overlooking the uncertainty associated with the belief, as I mention in the video.
I agree, bias isn't ... By: socionomic. on 05 Mar 08, 21:01:32 I agree, bias isn't dogma, and it's for that reason that I prefer science and stated as such in response to the original video. But I think you are grossly understating the role of "bias".
My point is this: scientific conjecture in the form of theory is only better than religious conjecture because of correcting practices that check such conjecture. Furthermore, the extent/effectiveness of such checks are greatly exaggerated in traditional, largely philosophical accounts of scientific method.
Bias is not dogma. ... By: darktango78. on 05 Mar 08, 20:31:54 Bias is not dogma. Even if no one likes to be proved wrong, it happens, and the scientist that disproves a theory gets recognition.
The video I was replying to asserts that, paraphrasing, "it's all the same thing."
Scientists have ... By: socionomic. on 05 Mar 08, 20:07:18 Scientists have more than an intellectual interest in the preservation of their conjectures. Oftentimes, entire academic disciplines and the accompanying careers invested in them are on the line when a theory is jeopardized. In practice, science does have a conservative bias towards retaining previously accepted theory/conjectures, particularly if many other theories are dependent upon that theory.
It should be noted ... By: socionomic. on 05 Mar 08, 20:04:22 It should be noted that the response presented is a surprisingly idealistic conception of science, one heavily rooted in the philosophies of science developed in the early and mid 20th century. It ignores major advancements in the sociology of science and science studies like that of Thomas Kuhn, Paul Feyerabend, and Bruno Latour.
your my new hero. ... By: 404040wolf. on 04 Mar 08, 05:10:22 your my new hero. :)
I loved the end!! By: AnotherAtheistGuy. on 18 Feb 08, 23:44:56 I loved the end!!
excellent response By: imrational. on 06 Feb 08, 22:43:38 excellent response
Thanks :) By: darktango78. on 06 Feb 08, 17:23:48 Thanks :)
nevermind that ... By: 2LegHumanist. on 06 Feb 08, 17:22:26 nevermind that loser who gave you 1 star just because he didn't like what you had to say.
Very well said :) By: 2LegHumanist. on 06 Feb 08, 17:16:52 Very well said :)
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By: soulhunger1. on 13 Nov 08, 22:09:38
"providing a set code of morals" They say that Christian morality is an oxymoron. Wishing an eternity of suffering on others for their beliefs, for their actions, or for their choices does seem a bit hypocritical when Christians often believe their religion holds a monopoly on morality. If you've read the bible, there are plenty of examples of extreme punishments for mundane misbehavior. If those are the morals you speak of, our society is clearly a better judge of them than god is.
By: soulhunger1. on 13 Nov 08, 21:57:31
Well said.
By: darktango78. on 22 Oct 08, 16:33:34
It's based on definitions, differences in definitions, and showing how the associated concepts are not interchangeable. As far as "telling," you may, of course, suggest and debate as much as you like with those that are open to it. But when you "tell" me how to live my life, I'm going to hold you to a higher standard of proof than I will a scientist who conjectures parallel universes.
By: diligentdisciple. on 22 Oct 08, 07:15:50
Haha, that whole video was based on word choice. How dare we tell you a better way to live your life? How dare we try to protect you and your families by providing a set code of morals and ethics, rather than letting human nature erode everything civilization is set on. Sorry we, as Christians, care about your well-being. Jesus bless, and have a great night.
By: wordavee. on 06 Aug 08, 16:23:58
Nice one!
By: darktango78. on 22 May 08, 13:58:27
Thanks! I hadn't noticed they'd been marked as spam. Most likely it was someone that was upset by the video. I'll try and undo that now.
By: sapperbloggs. on 22 May 08, 13:56:43
Great video, simple and to the point. Why have all your comments been marked as spam?
By: socionomic. on 06 Mar 08, 02:05:23
Well, I believe that doubting a conjecture is one of the "correcting practices" that make such a belief scientific (as opposed to religious). Yet even with the aid of uncertainty and the other measures you mention in your video, in practice, science is more similar to religion than it is in theory. But your point is well taken, and I've only belabored the issue because I don't want it to be simplified for the sake of sanctifying science. Thanks for the discussion, darktango78.
By: darktango78. on 05 Mar 08, 21:12:30
socionomic: "scientific conjecture in the form of theory is only better than religious conjecture because of correcting practices that check such conjecture." You are overlooking the uncertainty associated with the belief, as I mention in the video.
By: socionomic. on 05 Mar 08, 21:01:32
I agree, bias isn't dogma, and it's for that reason that I prefer science and stated as such in response to the original video. But I think you are grossly understating the role of "bias". My point is this: scientific conjecture in the form of theory is only better than religious conjecture because of correcting practices that check such conjecture. Furthermore, the extent/effectiveness of such checks are greatly exaggerated in traditional, largely philosophical accounts of scientific method.
By: darktango78. on 05 Mar 08, 20:31:54
Bias is not dogma. Even if no one likes to be proved wrong, it happens, and the scientist that disproves a theory gets recognition. The video I was replying to asserts that, paraphrasing, "it's all the same thing."
By: socionomic. on 05 Mar 08, 20:07:18
Scientists have more than an intellectual interest in the preservation of their conjectures. Oftentimes, entire academic disciplines and the accompanying careers invested in them are on the line when a theory is jeopardized. In practice, science does have a conservative bias towards retaining previously accepted theory/conjectures, particularly if many other theories are dependent upon that theory.
By: socionomic. on 05 Mar 08, 20:04:22
It should be noted that the response presented is a surprisingly idealistic conception of science, one heavily rooted in the philosophies of science developed in the early and mid 20th century. It ignores major advancements in the sociology of science and science studies like that of Thomas Kuhn, Paul Feyerabend, and Bruno Latour.
By: 404040wolf. on 04 Mar 08, 05:10:22
your my new hero. :)
By: AnotherAtheistGuy. on 18 Feb 08, 23:44:56
I loved the end!!
By: imrational. on 06 Feb 08, 22:43:38
excellent response
By: darktango78. on 06 Feb 08, 17:23:48
Thanks :)
By: 2LegHumanist. on 06 Feb 08, 17:22:26
nevermind that loser who gave you 1 star just because he didn't like what you had to say.
By: 2LegHumanist. on 06 Feb 08, 17:16:52
Very well said :)