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Re: True atheists are 2 Stupid 2 live
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 311 seconds

Refuting a unique argument.

Related: 960992171, argument, atheism, atheist, bad, experience, horsie, life, live, religion, sims, steve, stupid, vai

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Apparently "MR ...
By: darkwhitedirewolf. on 12 Nov 08, 00:21:51
Apparently "MR Wisdom 96--?? whatever" does not see his own circular logic. One could use the bible so show everything that is wrong with him, such as commandment #9 Must be the same way a banana disproves evolution. SHEEZ I need to go read a real logoc/science book before these people suck the rest of my brain cells, and I lose all memory of my college degree.

Not a Steve Vai fan ...
By: Orygyn. on 03 Nov 08, 20:52:19
Not a Steve Vai fan then? Yeh ok. This is before I got my camcorder. I have a few live action vids up but I'm not very happy with them to be honest. I'm considering restarting the whole channel.

Dude you make all ...
By: CatholicRenegade. on 03 Nov 08, 15:09:58
Dude you make all that racket in the beginning then you can't even speak to your listeners? Sorry but I get so sick of those ones who hide behind paragraphs that we're all expected to pause and read each time. That's almost as annoying as the old guy with the number-name setting it so that you cant' text-comment on his video. He basically dodges the whole argument that way.

Lol, good one.
By: Orygyn. on 26 Oct 08, 19:15:52
Lol, good one.

960992171 seems to ...
By: NECHOII. on 26 Oct 08, 18:40:29
960992171 seems to unaware of the fact that some people grow older and wiser while others.....just....grow...older.

Well I think that's ...
By: Orygyn. on 20 Oct 08, 13:14:12
Well I think that's it then. A lot of people your age have now come on here and proven via what they said that atheism is certainly not something you outgrow. And I just want to thank you for making that possible.

Since the person ...
By: cornodib. on 20 Oct 08, 02:05:12
Since the person you are responding to does not allow comments, I'll put mine here. I'm 58. That probably makes me older than him. I've been an atheist for 22 years. According to him, I have more common sense than he has. End of argument. Now a comment: With the exception of Fred Phelps, I really didn't believe Christianity had any people like him any more. I thought they were all in some OTHER religion these days. Oh well. People like him make me embarrassed that I ever WAS a Christian.

No problem.
By: Orygyn. on 28 Sep 08, 16:27:19
No problem.

Thanks :)
By: ChuckyJesus666. on 28 Sep 08, 14:32:17
Thanks :)

Very well said.
By: Orygyn. on 28 Sep 08, 00:10:58
Very well said.

I'm 54 and have ...
By: ChuckyJesus666. on 27 Sep 08, 15:10:44
I'm 54 and have been an atheist since I was 17; exactly how much more experience am I going to have to have to be qualified to have some wisdom? Also, I know lots of senior citizen atheists, some in their 80s or beyond. Belief in childish magic men is what one needs to outgrow. There's no difference, zip, between belief in Santa Claus and God. They use their hell threat to make themselves feel better about their silly beliefs.

Yeah, and most ...
By: TheAgnosticAspie. on 01 Sep 08, 01:43:29
Yeah, and most Christians these days seem to lack any kind of empathy whatsoever.

lol excellent point
By: Orygyn. on 14 Aug 08, 00:10:06
lol excellent point

That's funny ...
By: LordDemoniaque. on 13 Aug 08, 23:30:56
That's funny because I outgrew Christianity. It's hard to feel anguish or pain in Hell or complete bliss in Heaven when you no longer have the sensory organs to facilitate such a feeling.

thanks man
By: Orygyn. on 01 Aug 08, 13:29:44
thanks man

very cool.
By: acidsurfers. on 01 Aug 08, 02:13:19
very cool.

yeh in retrospect ...
By: Orygyn. on 27 Jul 08, 14:00:15
yeh in retrospect making this vid was probably a waste of time

Well thought out ...
By: vitruvius69. on 27 Jul 08, 09:38:21
Well thought out arguments. It's infuriating, but you can't argue with ppl like him. Christianity is just the label this guy has given his unique brand of craziness...

thanks man nah dw ...
By: Orygyn. on 23 Jul 08, 11:52:59
thanks man nah dw its not christians in general just this guy

wow i am a ...
By: ysilencer2. on 23 Jul 08, 09:31:42
wow i am a christian and i respect ur words im sorry if we r doing a poor job

960992171 ...
By: Squagnut. on 17 Jul 08, 07:00:49
960992171 courageously disabled comments, so I reckon we can safely let him wallow in his own insignificance. Set phasers to "ignore". I'm about his age, I'm a happy atheist and I have a stck of life experience, which has taught me that there are a hell of a lot of people out there who want you to believe their favourite fairtytale. Believe if you want, but if you do, don't kid yourself that you can discern reasoning from rhetoric.

So, he thinks that ...
By: rkzenrage. on 15 Jul 08, 21:05:49
So, he thinks that god created people with the sole purpose of torturing them forever? And this god is supposed to be benevolent? Sounds like an asshole to me.

thank you =)
By: XxemilytheunicornxX. on 14 Jul 08, 21:18:05
thank you =)

well said
By: Orygyn. on 14 Jul 08, 12:03:59
well said

To: 960992171 - I ...
By: XxemilytheunicornxX. on 14 Jul 08, 10:29:29
To: 960992171 - I dont think its right for you to be so judgemental. I am an atheist. I will open the Bible and understand it. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. You take shots at atheists, but your Christian religion teaches to treat others with respect and kindness. You are doing a very poor job at that. Your religion teaches to love one another, but you fail to do that. I love everyone for who they are, without God. I think you should be more open-minded and less of a fool.

Moral Relativism
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 571 seconds

The stance that there are no moral absolutes, that morality is instead regulated by society. Eat it alive, or expand on it, the choice is once again up to you.

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Strange. I didn't ...
By: Orygyn. on 16 Oct 08, 23:37:10
Strange. I didn't do anything.

my comments aren't ...
By: osageroarange. on 16 Oct 08, 23:25:59
my comments aren't showing up

Right I'm beginning ...
By: Orygyn. on 16 Oct 08, 13:37:50
Right I'm beginning to get confused. We seem to be agreeing then pulling out arguments that sound like they disagree. I just don't get what the problem is.

If I said "Raping ...
By: osageroarange. on 16 Oct 08, 04:27:06
If I said "Raping innocent children for fun is wrong," I'm saying the action itself is wrong. I'm NOT saying rape is ok for other people, It's just something I don't do. I'm NOT saying rape is something I would prefer not to do, but other people or societies might tolerate it, and it's ok for them. That moral claim describes a property of the action itself, not just my feelings about an action. An action can not both have and not have moral justification. If my

In the Iraq War ...
By: Orygyn. on 15 Oct 08, 20:42:44
In the Iraq War example we were taking a handful of considerations into account but there are infinitely many different aspects to the situation. It's not the same thing as saying something exists or it doesn't. The Iraq War example dealt in subjectivity, the Global Warming one deals in objectivity.

If I say it an ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 20:38:47
If I say it an action is right and you say it is wrong, at least ONE of us would have to be incorrect. An action can't be both morally right and not morally right at the same time. Does that make any sense?

What if I believed ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 20:35:34
What if I believed Global Warming existed and you did not believe it existed? There are a million different factors that go into it and people have all kinds of different opinions. We can't all be right. That would violate the law of noncontradiction. It is basic logic. An object cannot both have quality and not have a quality at the same time. Global warming cannot both exist and not exist at the same time.

That brings us back ...
By: Orygyn. on 15 Oct 08, 20:14:47
That brings us back to subjectivity. Neither one of us is right or wrong because that doesn't apply here. You believe the Iraq War is right and if I were to believe it was wrong then they are simply our opinions. As I've had to explain to plenty of people in my "Challenge of Absolutes", there are millions of different factors that come into this, even with regards to happiness. So it's got nothing to do with right or wrong, they are our opinions.

I believe it is B, ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 19:50:13
I believe it is B, and for one of to be right and one of us to be wrong, there must be some universal standard for judging moral actions. I don't believe it a specific set of rules to live by, but I do believe happiness is the basis of morality.

You and I agree ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 19:48:04
You and I agree that an action that results in a net gain of overall happiness is morally right. Rock on. Now let's say that I believe the Iraq war results in a greater amount of happiness so it was morally right. And hypothetically you said that it results in a net loss of overall happiness so it is morally wrong. Can we both of right? Of course not. If we are not both correct, then either, A:We're both wrong, morality itself is bullshit. B:One of us is right and one of us is wrong.

Ah so we launched a ...
By: Orygyn. on 15 Oct 08, 19:45:17
Ah so we launched a debate over what turned out to be different definitions of the phrase "moral absolute." Now I feel stupid lol.

I agree that "moral ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 19:38:22
I agree that "moral absolutes" by your definition cannot exist.

Alright, so we seem ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 19:36:30
Alright, so we seem to disagree on the definition of "moral absolute." I would argue that a "moral absolute" does not have to be agreed upon by everyone. If "moral absolutes" did have to be agreed upon by everyone to be real, then I would agree that they do not exist. However, existence of truth is not dependent on belief. If people say the world is flat, the world is not flat. If people say the sun revolves around the earth, that doesn't make it so.

We've come to the ...
By: Orygyn. on 15 Oct 08, 19:15:37
We've come to the conclusion that we both see positive net gain of happiness as a good thing but that doesn't prove it for everyone. It's an absolute to us not to everyone. A moral absolute as I see it is something which everyone agrees to be good or bad and I'd argue there's no such thing. I have another video dealing with that: "Challenge Of Absolutes." But we do agree on something so that's always good.

This absolute does ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 18:38:59
This absolute does not give a clear answer to all situations, becuase we can never know if our actions will result in a net gain of happiness. All we can do is use our best judgement to decide if our actions will result in more or less overall happiness. In you example of "dealing drugs", there may be a short term increase in happiness, but overall, probably not, when you could be helping people who need food, shelter or other ways that would result in a greater increase of happiness.

So you agree that ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 18:35:38
So you agree that it is a desireble for there to be a net gain of happiness. That's an absolute that you believe in. If an action results in a net gain of happiness, then it is morally good. If that's the objective that you judge a situation, then those two examples you gave may both be moral if they both result in a net gain of happiness.

In my personal ...
By: Orygyn. on 15 Oct 08, 17:55:03
In my personal opinion, I label bringing happiness to other people as a good thing because they benefit from my act, whatever it was and I benefit from the act by seeing them happy. So we both leave the situation happier and that is a desirable result. However that act could have been anything from helping an old lady across the street to dealing drugs to the guy so it still doesn't make it objectively good.

So you state that ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 15:22:31
So you state that you DO believe that "bringing happiness to other people is good." Explain why you believe this is so.

I think we both ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 15:20:09
I think we both agree as far as your masochist example goes. It would be good to hurt a masochist if it results in a greater amount of happiness overall. The moral intent is irrelevant when judging moral result.

The person who hurt ...
By: Orygyn. on 15 Oct 08, 13:25:59
The person who hurt the masochist did not know that he was a masochist and believe's he is inflicting pain and doing bad. In reality he is doing good. So there is a difference between moral intent and moral result.

Happiness has no ...
By: Orygyn. on 15 Oct 08, 13:23:49
Happiness has no moral value by itself as it is an emotion but bringing happiness to other people is something I would view as good, yes. However it is not BY DEFINITION good because there are those who think that misery is good (psychopaths, sociopaths etc) and they do not get omitted because of any mental diseases they may have as diseases of that sort are really just differences. And yeh that's the definition of masochist i was going by. Mine's was a question of intent. To be continued.

Let me ask you a ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 13:12:28
Let me ask you a question. Do you actually believe that happiness in and of itself is good?

What is your ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 13:09:22
What is your definition of masochist? Here's what I got from the dictionary: gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, esp. the tendency to seek this form of gratification. So masochists receive "gratification" from pain. aka happiness. So I agree that people achieve happiness differently, but happiness itself is still good. And I think you also believe that it is.

Baring in mind that ...
By: Orygyn. on 15 Oct 08, 07:54:03
Baring in mind that that's what they want? Yeh sorry I never meant it was a moral absolute to help masochists just that the absolutes are taken as happiness=good, misery=bad and I was pointing out that in this case that might not be the case.

I didn't say it was ...
By: osageroarange. on 15 Oct 08, 04:00:24
I didn't say it was a moral absolute to help masochists. If helping a masochist would reduce their happiness, then it would be wrong to help them.

Design and M-Theory
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 211 seconds

A thorough destruction of the well-known argument from design by means of M-Theory.

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The Atheist
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 290 seconds

Disharmony between Atheists is more harmful to our position than a million TJs. Harmony despite great diversity will strengthen our position far more.

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Good video, were ...
By: DavidH373. on 04 Dec 08, 05:57:48
Good video, were slowly clawing our way up the hill

i am right now ...
By: Orygyn. on 05 Sep 08, 20:37:27
i am right now starting on the vid u suggested

pretty good ideas ...
By: Orygyn. on 29 Aug 08, 18:25:12
pretty good ideas thanks

I find that ...
By: revilo314. on 29 Aug 08, 13:53:57
I find that whenever I watch VFX I have the urge to respond with pithy comments. You could try that. As for a specific request: How about one mentioning how foolish the whole debate of evolution on youtube is, given that few people are qualified, and that it isn't up to the layman to dispute the scientist. I am planning to respond to ur "Revive the music industry" thing at some point, but probably not for a month, due to technicalities.

thanks man will do ...
By: Orygyn. on 29 Aug 08, 13:09:56
thanks man will do this might be embarrassing but do u know any subjects i could possibly cover in the next vid? iv got the YT equivalent of writers' block atm

This is a truly ...
By: revilo314. on 29 Aug 08, 12:39:28
This is a truly brilliant video. Instant favourite. And KMFDM was a good choice. I was, prior to this vid, just beginning my work to establish a "Polite Atheist" persona. More please!

thats a very good ...
By: Orygyn. on 16 Aug 08, 11:53:00
thats a very good point

When people, ...
By: BringOnThePaine. on 16 Aug 08, 03:50:05
When people, especially people with power expect other people to follow their personal beliefs(practices, moral code,values) through legislation, force, intimidation, it becomes more then a difference of philosophy. That's discrimination & intolerance. Why should any belief be shielded from critical evaluation? We need them to hear us clearly whether we politely whisper and shake their hand or scream in there face and flip them the bird, how ever you decide to say it...but make sure to say it

Honestly, why ...
By: Edella. on 15 Aug 08, 01:14:24
Honestly, why should we have harmony? Don't get me wrong, it would be nice, but we atheists have only ONE thing in common. One thing! That we collectively have an enormously wide rage political and ideological positions is (IMO) a good thing.

Utopia
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 275 seconds

What would a better world be like? Here's my thoughts. Feel free to share yours as well.

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ah 1 of those ...
By: Orygyn. on 25 Jun 08, 14:01:56
ah 1 of those books well ill have to see for myself i guess

Buckminster Fuller ...
By: ussick. on 25 Jun 08, 00:09:50
Buckminster Fuller was the inventor of the Geodesic Dome and lots of other less known inventions. He was trying to design a way to do more with less and provide affordable housing, food, cars, etc. for the worlds exponential growth in population. His ideas worked but the world did not. Industry was not willing to shut itself down and retool to produce products that would achieve these farsighted objectives for fear of losses in the quarterly earnings statements. The greed outperforming the need.

nice
By: Orygyn. on 24 Jun 08, 22:10:01
nice

Many people got ...
By: ussick. on 24 Jun 08, 22:00:03
Many people got high and talked about peace back in the 60'S. Buckminster Fuller didn't just talk about it, he drew a map and included a set of detailed blueprints.

One thing about the ...
By: ussick. on 24 Jun 08, 21:54:30
One thing about the book. There was no words sufficient to describe the concepts he was using at the time so he developed his own language to describe the principals using compound hyphenated words. Most people of that time could not digest the lingo and they missed the big picture because they got lost in the pixels. I would pick it up, read three pages and it would blow my mind with paradigm shifts so bad I would have to set it aside for 2 days and come back and read a few more pages.

sounds good ill ...
By: Orygyn. on 24 Jun 08, 14:18:13
sounds good ill give it a read sometime

Have you ever read ...
By: ussick. on 24 Jun 08, 03:31:45
Have you ever read "Critical Path" by R. Buckminster Fuller. In the 1950's and 60's he was working on many of the problems with our society you discussed in your video (mainly having enough to go around). He also predicted if we did not change the way we were living that we would reach a point of no return. He devoted his life to synergistic systems and doing more with less and discovering how we got into this mess in the first place so as not to repeat it.

Tagged
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 361 seconds

Guess the Lie
I tagged the following people:
gogreen18
rozeboosje
RyunSharp
thinkmorepink
TheAmazingAtheist

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#1...
By: 23bakudai23. on 26 Nov 08, 03:45:44
#1...

No Problem. Also, ...
By: Orygyn. on 25 Nov 08, 14:10:03
No Problem. Also, wrong.

No problem, Laci. ...
By: Orygyn. on 25 Nov 08, 14:09:41
No problem, Laci. If you're swamped, don't worry about it.

Cool! Thanks for ...
By: gogreen18. on 25 Nov 08, 07:51:25
Cool! Thanks for tagging me, Orygyn, this sounds fun! I'm going to think about it, I'll make one soon! :]

Tagged? Wow!!!!! ...
By: thinkmorepink. on 25 Nov 08, 03:01:02
Tagged? Wow!!!!! Thanks dear :) I guess number three :P

Well if you make ...
By: Orygyn. on 25 Nov 08, 00:00:44
Well if you make videos again, you have my vote no matter what.

Perhaps your ...
By: RyunSharp. on 24 Nov 08, 23:58:29
Perhaps your friends are giving the emotional strength you need in order to get the job done. I on the other hand have an emotional isolation that haunts my sleep. As long as I can find at least some assurance from you or others like you, perhaps I can break that shell of fear I am feeling stuck inside.

Yeh i saw the video ...
By: Orygyn. on 24 Nov 08, 23:48:00
Yeh i saw the video you made. Our audience isn't that big unless you're TJ or Pat Condell so I really wouldn't worry about it. But if I understand anything, it's that sometimes it's just not that simple, and that's the sense I'm getting from you. Like you want to do it but something in your head's holding you back. I'm the same way in real life off-camera with even my best friends so I somewhat unerstand, although I haven't found a solution yet.

The reason why I ...
By: RyunSharp. on 24 Nov 08, 23:33:00
The reason why I have not made any videos is because I am struggling to defeat my fears. I am currently finding something that drives me to break these fears and that drive is the pursuit of those of the mindset of my taste, such as yours. I shouldn't take too seriously of what others think. This flaw is holding me back too much. I will appeal to nobody but those whom I find by character worthy of respect such as yourself. It is soothing to hear that I am not being discouraged to talk out

No problem. If you ...
By: Orygyn. on 24 Nov 08, 22:31:27
No problem. If you can't make one for any reason, don't feel you need to.

ahah :D my guess, ...
By: Braindiscovering. on 24 Nov 08, 22:18:36
ahah :D my guess, number 3. But I rely a lot on facial expressions and there wasnt much light for me to see... I had to rely on voice. buhu Exelent ponnytail, props for trying, very unique way of doing it! (I understood why you couldnt do it in the other video, but I new if I asked again you would come up with an idea) You'll get electricity in your hair though (that is what you were trying to say. Exelente tags, I was going to tag roseboosje...Glad u did! Sofia xx

I'm surprised you ...
By: RyunSharp. on 24 Nov 08, 22:11:16
I'm surprised you chosen me for tagging. Yet I have only one video. Thank you for the tag. I'll try to think of something.

The Protruding Line
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 578 seconds

An introspective video about Orygyn and its host. And tons of personal experience that backs up Cody Weber.
Also, one more thing. This is serious nitpicking but when I uploaded this video it was just after midnight on August 11 GMT.
Which mean I turned 19 on the 6th August, not the 5th.

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Re: 12 questions to atheists
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 341 seconds

My response to his videos.
If you want me to make a Sims music video of the song I wrote for this vid let me know by PM or comment on the vid.
The song "Sonic Desert" is now available on darmik.com.

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Re: Proof God is Real
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 269 seconds

There were some confusions regarding "infinity" in this video.
Let me clear them up for you.

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Well I know for a ...
By: Orygyn. on 14 Aug 08, 15:48:10
Well I know for a fact that he doesnt accept negative text comments on his vids. But I have seen video responses on his videos b4. However, he recently said that he was going to leave YT because some people were bullying him. During that period, he might have changed his channel round. But yeh, he's not very sporting with his opposition. Thank you for your comment on the video as well.

Very good video. I ...
By: WarDemon282. on 14 Aug 08, 02:25:24
Very good video. I was planning on making a response to him, but this said everything I wanted to much better than I could. I assume he didn't accept the video as a response. I sent a few comments to his video as well as his inbox, neither of which were insulting in anyway, yet he still refused them. I think he just denies anything that refutes his logic, completely denying intelligent debating. For that, I have no respect for him.

Pretty good points ...
By: Orygyn. on 12 Aug 08, 22:38:13
Pretty good points there. Time does pass at a different speed from a moving object to a stationary one. However, time cannot go backwards, which is what would need to be the case to apply to this argument. As for God not dwelling in the universe, does your idea of the universe include time and space meaning God exists outside that? Without time, no action is possible so God couldn't have created the universe and he can't exist where there isn't space. Unless of course he defies logic?

Are you guys ...
By: bullhonkeymofo. on 12 Aug 08, 21:18:44
Are you guys talking about temporal measurement because like Einstien said time varies according to the motion of the observer. Any christians on here SHAME ON YOU for not explaining that God doesnt have to dwell in the universe. Time is a result of our travel through an expanding and accelerating universe So how can it be measured? You would have to find out the rate of acceleration and work backwards. This would only work if the universe accelerated at a consistant rate. Jesus loves you.

The whole debate ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 17:22:58
The whole debate isn't finished, that's true, but I was stating something that, unless I'm mistaken, we agree on and a logical deduction from that statement.

ok first of all a ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 17:21:56
ok first of all a strawman is stating that something is different to what it rly is so that it can be refuted in that form i arrived at my conclusion via a logical deduction and thus that is not a strawman "God is a transcendent being, thus outside of time." So how exactly did he create anything at all? Time is a prerequisite for cause and effect; to perform any action, time is absolutely necessary. Without time, it is logically impossible for God to create anything at all.

"we already deduced ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 16:51:48
"we already deduced in "Eternity and Transcendence" that he couldnt have created the laws of logic so he cant possibly defy them either" Don't make conclusions yet. We haven't even finished that one yet.

"if there couldn't ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 16:51:21
"if there couldn't have been an infinite amount of time b4 now then even god must must be finite and must have been caused" Strawman argument. God is a transcendent being, thus outside of time.

He's talking about ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 16:50:57
He's talking about an actually infinite set. Before and after are possible with an actually infinite set.

one thing i might ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 14:38:46
one thing i might not have mentioned in the vid if there couldn't have been an infinite amount of time b4 now then even god must must be finite and must have been caused we already deduced in "Eternity and Transcendence" that he couldnt have created the laws of logic so he cant possibly defy them either

im not sure i ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 14:36:51
im not sure i follow im not a scientist but laws tend to be proven and if laws are there then i cant see them being wrong u just need to explain wot ur talking about better but i see no reason why an infinite regress is impossible

i can understand if ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 14:28:25
i can understand if theres been a misunderstanding coz by venoms definitions of infinity what he says is generally right but he's misapplied infinity obviously u wont get anything AFTER an infinite amount of time but thats not how infinity works the concept of after infinity is impossible the same infinite amount of time exists after now than it did an infinite amount of time ago because infinity is not a number

Whoops, posted that ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 01:34:33
Whoops, posted that twice

You also neglected ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 01:34:09
You also neglected to notice that the first law of thermodynamics is based on inductive logic. It is not true by definition. Thus, you cannot with any confidence use it to prove the eternity of matter/energy.

Your comment on the ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 01:32:26
Your comment on the first law of thermodynamics seems problematic to me. First, the law is based on inductive logic, is it not true by definition. Based on this, you can't cite the law with confidence in that it would prove that matter/energy has existed forever. You must eventually reach an uncaused cause.

I believe you used ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 01:29:10
I believe you used a strawman definition of infinity here. Venom is referring to an actually infinite set, which is a set that contains all natural numbers. It's tantamount to counting to infinity. Both you and Venom disproved that (your equations which shows that an actually infinite set leads to contradictions). The video is disproving actual infinite, not a potential infinite. Something can't exist forever, as that would imply the existence of an actually infinite set.

eh no problem just ...
By: Orygyn. on 01 Jul 08, 14:00:43
eh no problem just so i know what's the thanks for?

Thank you Orygen!
By: XnadboyX. on 01 Jul 08, 02:40:32
Thank you Orygen!

Art and Symbolism
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Speaks for itself I think.

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Live Action Test Video
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I winged it. I have a cough. I'm probably gonna come off as stupid and pathetic for those reasons. But, as far as entertainment value goes, this is probably gonna be among my best. So that's why I did this now. Enjoy.

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GAY BAN, GAY BAN, GAY BAN
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Let's start a war, start a nuclear war. On everyone who voted YES!

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Censorship
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More Mansons Less Hansons!
Stop being so pathetic that you're offended by words and body parts.

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Indeed it is.
By: Orygyn. on 28 Sep 08, 11:09:06
Indeed it is.

censorship is ...
By: MJKsfuturegirlfriend. on 28 Sep 08, 01:19:11
censorship is cancer.

and obviously that ...
By: Orygyn. on 01 Sep 08, 18:54:04
and obviously that last line is subjective (my opinion) as well

oh ur talking about ...
By: Orygyn. on 01 Sep 08, 18:53:28
oh ur talking about my slogan sorry it took me a while to catch on ur absolutely right, and subjectivity is something i normally understand very well i suppose what i really meant was that manson devotes himself to his art form and uses it to express his opinions whereas hanson (who was just a random example, not an intended target) write their music for entertainment purposes and i see nothing wrong with that but adding ideas to the mix gives ur job that extra level of meaning

But, like I said... ...
By: echostarter. on 01 Sep 08, 17:24:47
But, like I said... All subjective. Including everything I just said except for the last two sentences of this message.

So I guess what I ...
By: echostarter. on 01 Sep 08, 17:23:27
So I guess what I was trying to say is that: Art form can be seen in things that aren't traditionally considered an art. Art is a science and science is an art. Now on the other hand, I CAN relate to you too as well. I'm someone who attempts to create art visually. I suppose I'm sort of an illustrator/animator. It's like when I compare the works of one animated feature to another. To parallel your comparison. Disney vs Satoshi. But, I've come to appreciate both. Just different means to an end.

The topic is ...
By: echostarter. on 01 Sep 08, 17:08:01
The topic is subjective. It's like two sides pointing at each other and saying the other is wrong... When in the end, it might just be that each side have different preferences for a means to an end; neither one wrong or right. True artistry doesn't really have a definition. It's just something that most, if not all people's, "soul" acknowledges. With that said, anything can be an art form--even the business men who turned "catering to an audience" into an art form.

the whole point of ...
By: Orygyn. on 23 Aug 08, 10:33:02
the whole point of this channel is to answer or prompt other ppl to answer those questions, not to wave the knowledge of the answer in their face and just ad hominem them all the time

Does anyone know ...
By: largerthanadam. on 23 Aug 08, 05:51:29
Does anyone know what happened? Yes, plenty of educated people do. Better yet! You could too if you would stop complaining on youtube and read a fucking book about censorship or society's relationship to the body.

What is it with my ...
By: Orygyn. on 20 Aug 08, 15:50:46
What is it with my videos and people missing the point? I was not specifically targeting Hanson (they were chosen for the rhyme effect). I was saying that the world needs more art-oriented bands and less of everything else. The world is seriously lacking in decent art rock bands at the moment.

I'm all against ...
By: EmptyInside00. on 20 Aug 08, 11:35:57
I'm all against censorship and can relate to almost everything you've stated in this video. BUT, talking about Hanson as a band with no ideas or people that know nothing of art is just... sad?! Those guys are extremely talented and have done a LOT to make a difference - as individuals to raise awareness for AIDS and poverty in Africa as well as for the music industry and indie artists. I mean, come on they're not the Backstreet Boys. I personally think they deserve MUCH more respect.

If it would be ...
By: MidnightTrain97. on 19 Aug 08, 08:25:58
If it would be considered normal to swear and expose body parts, how can Marilyn Manson still shock people? Then you would get things like: Oh, Marilyn Manson is showing his ass again, nothing shocking. I'm just saying, do you really want it NOT to shock people anymore? I think things would get boring or people would have to find new things to shock people.

Mask?
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Is it a mask, or an extension of your mind?

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Selectivity in Rights Management
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A response to gogreen18 loosely. I take the idea of homophobia and show you how far we still have to go in terms of tolerating our fellow man.
WARNING: More controversial than my pedophilia video by miles.

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Evolution Vs Intelligent Design
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The debate is retarded. Leave it to the pros.

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Abortion
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That's right, I'm finally tackling 1 of the big 3.
If you're gonna respond via video response, remember that pictures of dead babies are not arguments, they are pieces of emotion-triggering tripe.

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Divine Simplicity
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If God has the attribute known as Divine Simplicity, his existence can be disproven.

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"then after ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 17:09:52
"then after discarding everything else... God is left with omnipresence and that is all he is" No. If God discards all of his other traits, He's left with omnipresence. Agreed? Omnipresence isn't God, but a trait of God. God is a BEING which HAS a trait. God is NOT a trait. You can be a being with only one trait God is not omnipresence, God HAS omnipresence. Now of course things can have omnipresence! Omnipresence is true of laws of logic.

"God is seen as as ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 17:05:45
"God is seen as as good as u can be and there u have a standard of good and evil set by God himself." God doesn't set His own standard. It's a part of His nature. I think you're referring to the Euthyphro dilemma, which is a false dilemma. "good coexists with evil" Good can exist on its own, but for evil to exist, good must exist too. Evil is a lack of good (per St. Augustine). Now I'm not denying the existence of an objective standard, I affirm it.

OK, again ur ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 17:04:23
OK, again ur forgetting that all this is to disprove God ONLY if the concept of divine simplicity is applied. 99.999% of people or more do not apply this to God. I was saying that IF god is divinely simple, then after discarding everything else (forgetting about whether my logic in discarding them is valid) God is left with omnipresence and that is all he is. And from there if omnipresence cannot be demonstrated to apply to anything, then God is simply a concept devoid of entity.

Right, if God is by ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 16:58:05
Right, if God is by definition good then we by definition have to act along a spectrum of good and evil. God is seen as as good as u can be and there u have a standard of good and evil set by God himself. By definition, good coexists with evil and to say that there is no standard naturally existing alongside good and evil is for good and evil to mean nothing. Whereever the standard came from, it is there, and if God contradicts himself while still being good, this goes against logic.

"I'm not asking for ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 16:57:45
"I'm not asking for God to do what's logically impossible, I'm asking for him to be omnibenevolent. Surely that's not so hard. " He is. To be omnibenevolent you don't need everyone to acknowledge you as omnibenevolent. You can remain omnibenevolent apart from human attestation. It is not opinion and wide agreement that makes something so.

I'm not asking for ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 16:52:34
I'm not asking for God to do what's logically impossible, I'm asking for him to be omnibenevolent. Surely that's not so hard.

"i believe my 1st ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 16:49:55
"i believe my 1st comment covers this 1 and its only a strawman if Wikipedia is wrong " So Wikipedia beats out my philosophy of religion textbook? It beats out Thomas Aquinas who write in the 11th century on God's omnipotence? No, I don't think so. I use REAL sources...

First, how is ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 16:48:59
First, how is proving that God exists circular logic? You have no idea what you're talking about. God isn't omnipresence. God is not a property. God is a substance which HAS omnipresence. By definition a substance is a thing which holds properties. So even if God held one property, there is nothing wrong. Again, non sequitur Of course we have to assume that God exists! You did that for all of your other arguments. It's part of the preconditions of the argument!

No, I'm not ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 16:42:42
No, I'm not creating a standard of good, I'm simply pointing out that by definition, God is good. I'm not weighing any of his moral actions. I'm just pointing out that He is good by definition, like a laws of logic by definition are immaterial.

Non-sequitur, who ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 16:41:02
Non-sequitur, who cares if people's opinions differ? Your opinion doesn't change reality. If people have different opinions on 2+2, does that mean 2+2 doesn't equal four? God is all good, but He doesn't have to be acknowledged as all good. If people don't acknowledge me as a human, I guess I'm not human.

Don't fall back on ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 16:38:54
Don't fall back on Wikipedia. Pull out any Christian philosophy text... even the lay writings of C. S. Lewis, and you'll find that omnipotence has been CLASSICALLY UNDERSTOOD (I can even point out a reference in Aquinas!) to be the ability to do what which is logically possible. I don't use Wikipedia, I use theistic texts themselves.

i believe my 1st ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 15:54:08
i believe my 1st comment covers this 1 and its only a strawman if Wikipedia is wrong

to say that God ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 15:53:25
to say that God possesses omnipresence u first have to prove he exists otherwise this is circular logic: omnipresence is only demonstrated by god and he exists because he is omnipresent, this makes no sense by this time omnipresence is all he has left and it is a property not found anywhere else the only way he can exist in this state is if u already assume he does and even then omnipresence is all he is

if u say god is ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 15:50:25
if u say god is good by definition then u are immediately creating a standard of good so then everything god does is good but god contradicts himself frequently: makes a commandment forbidding murder then encourages it further down the line as 1 example so murder is both evil and good this standard is a fallacy

omnibenevolent or ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 14:45:19
omnibenevolent or all-good by definition means a being whose every action is good but ppls opinions of good differ and the objective standard for good as u mentioned wld be circular reasoning so to be all-good every1 ever would have to acknowledge him as such

ok b4 i say ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Jul 08, 14:42:33
ok b4 i say anything against these points u have to understand that not many christians think of God in this term i came across it on Wikipedia i have not personally known any1 who believes this and I never at any point said this is what God is i said if this is what god is then he can be refuted thus, nothing more

You thus commit ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 01:16:36
You thus commit ANOTHER strawman. God is not a character trait, God HAS character traits. God is a substance which has properties. God is not a property. So let me spell it out for you: God exists

When it comes to ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 01:15:42
When it comes to omnipresence, you're playing around with semantics. Omnipresence is indeed a property, and God posesses the property of omnipresence. This means that God is omnipresent. There is no difference between omnipresence and being omnipresent. One describes a state of being and the other describes a property. They are the SAME things being used in a different grammatical state.

Do theists ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 01:09:45
Do theists acknowledge God as omnibenevolent according to his own standard and thus are guilty of circular reasoning? No. Theists believe that God is omnibenevolent because omnibenevolent is God's nature. We don't determine His intrinsic goodness based on His own standard of goodness, we know that God is good because by definition God (at least the God of Christianity) is good. Good is good by definition, we don't make Him good by comparing Him to some standard.

You also claim that ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 01:07:13
You also claim that omnibenevolence is impossible concerning God. Your argument makes no sense at all. You say that something is omnibenevolent if and only if everyone affirms Him to be. But why. WHY? Must everyone acknowledge God as omnibenevolent for Him to be? You have given us no good reason for that, you simply assumed it. Your argument here is a non-sequitur. [Continued...]

Let's start with ...
By: ApologeticsMedia. on 13 Jul 08, 01:03:09
Let's start with omnipotence. You used a strawman definition of omnipotence. Omnipotence has been classically understood as the ability to do that which is logically possible, not the logically impossible. You set up a strawman which you easily knocked down. Unfortunately, this is not how theists have viewed omnipotence.

Meaning Of Life
Posted by: Orygyn

Video duration: 147 seconds

These are my views on the meaning of life. Argue, agree, whatever you're here for, tell me what you think and why you think I'm right/wrong.

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When we project our ...
By: ussick. on 23 Oct 08, 07:21:43
When we project our ways onto God then God's ways seem mysterious because we don't understand them. It is because of our own evil nature that we do not understand God's ways.

Thanks man.
By: Orygyn. on 22 Oct 08, 13:59:41
Thanks man.

Way I see it, ...
By: JonathanClement140. on 22 Oct 08, 02:17:37
Way I see it, conciousness is an essential part of existence. You made an excellent point when you said, more or less, "You were dead before". It's true, too! If you can come into this life, you can come into another.

yup
By: Orygyn. on 14 Oct 08, 16:47:20
yup

If theist pretend ...
By: RyunSharp. on 14 Oct 08, 14:12:50
If theist pretend to know, then theist are still simply fucking insecure.

God works in ...
By: Orygyn. on 14 Oct 08, 07:53:58
God works in mysterious ways = I don't know

The meaning of life ...
By: RyunSharp. on 14 Oct 08, 01:02:17
The meaning of life is far from mysterious as the theist want society to think. People who tell you about the mystery of the meaning of life are either incapable of putting it in words or are just full of plain old bullshit. This "mystery" is just a sign of the theist ability to act like a bunch of shifty bastards, for they say "God work's in mysterious ways" and I say "theist act like fucking shifty bastards".

Well said. And ...
By: Orygyn. on 13 Oct 08, 20:16:40
Well said. And true.

life. A biological ...
By: RyunSharp. on 13 Oct 08, 20:11:28
life. A biological formation of existence. Or a form of existence. That's it. Everyone knows the answer, they just don't know how to put it in words.

yeh well some day ...
By: Orygyn. on 25 Jun 08, 13:48:08
yeh well some day hopefully we'll have some kind of answer

You certainly got ...
By: Computerlullaby. on 25 Jun 08, 08:52:05
You certainly got me there:P.. But what does that statement suggest? "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, AND YOU WILL BE LIKE GOD, knowing good and evil." Perhaps the ability to define what is moral and immoral but i dont see anything depicting that Adam and Eve were truly God-Like. Besides was that not a lie which satan told them so that they would eat from the tree. Was there anything implying they became like "God" after they were thrown from the garden?..

God is not like ...
By: ussick. on 25 Jun 08, 01:31:13
God is not like that. So what is God like? Here I kick the door wide open because I don't have all the answers. I find it easier to see what God is not and then look around to see what is left. What about the Bible? Here is 66 books about people who were trying to find God over thousands of years but they all tie together. What can I learn from their search? What did they do right? Where do they go wrong? Why is it so offensive to my pride when I read what someone wrote about me 2000 years ago?

The church ...
By: ussick. on 25 Jun 08, 01:13:39
The church misrepresents God all too often but God gets the blame for it. I think the church wants to be viewed as God and is not in a hurry to clear up the confusion. People wanting to learn about God go to the church and are repelled. What people find in church is less then the utopia they were longing for. The church shoots the wounded to keep from being "polluted" and all the while they just cover up their own sickness. But who are they fooling? Even an unbeliever knows God is not like that.

thanks man that ...
By: Orygyn. on 24 Jun 08, 23:38:47
thanks man that means a lot also yeh i see wot ur saying bout our concept of God being wrong instead of him n i agree even there

You are certainly ...
By: ussick. on 24 Jun 08, 23:26:58
You are certainly not stupid. In fact you are asking all the hard questions and that means you have put a great deal of thought into what you are saying. You are obviously aware of glaring contradictions in how people view God. Good. I have no problem with that nor do I have a problem with you pointing them out. Personally I don't think it is so much that the God concept is wrong as it is that our concept of God is wrong. I am 100% certain that even I have thoughts about God that are wrong.

ok some of the ...
By: Orygyn. on 24 Jun 08, 21:49:35
ok some of the related videos are ridiculous i mean wtf does a BBW (Too Tight Trousers) have to do with stuff like this?

ah ok normally ...
By: Orygyn. on 24 Jun 08, 21:47:39
ah ok normally when i ask such obvious questions id get eaten alive with "stupid"s and wotever so thanx for not doing that

Gen 3:4-5 Then ...
By: ussick. on 24 Jun 08, 21:28:04
Gen 3:4-5 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, AND YOU WILL BE LIKE GOD, knowing good and evil." Saitin was just like God except for one attribute... worship. When he fell from heaven he took a third of the angels with him. Saitin wanted to be worshiped as God. That is the same thing he tempted man with. First they doubted God's word and then they disobeyed (worshiped) saitan.

its funny u should ...
By: Orygyn. on 24 Jun 08, 18:31:09
its funny u should mention those coz im uploading a new vid right now about the idea of divine simplicity wot that means is that basically some christians believe god is nothing more or less than his attributes in such a form he can be disproven but not many apply that definition

I was merely ...
By: Computerlullaby. on 24 Jun 08, 16:34:33
I was merely stating that perfection in everything there is, is a character trait of "God".. Immoral decisions are not acceptable when it comes to perfection.. It is true that that Adam and Eve had several characteristics that make them closer to "God".. But lacked the other characteristics of being "God-Like"... Our perception of "God" is a being that is both omniscient and omnipotent.. Which also implies other traits such as perfection and omnipresence.. These are the traits that they lacked..

yeh thats just what ...
By: Orygyn. on 24 Jun 08, 14:44:42
yeh thats just what i was thinking but Eden stops being a utopia when either Adam or Eve wants to eat from that tree but cant because utopia is by definition a perfect society not getting what u want produces negative feelings but yeh a utopia (or near enough) is wot i at least believe we should aim for

wait how does ...
By: Orygyn. on 24 Jun 08, 14:40:57
wait how does breaking a rule that god gave to adam and eve to not eat one of his special apples translate into them being god-like im sorry if this sounds stupid coz iv never read genesis the whole way through but surely being god-like would mean having power over everything and everyone in the garden

I dont recollect ...
By: Computerlullaby. on 24 Jun 08, 09:57:29
I dont recollect anything in the bible indicating that Adam and Eve were in any way God-Like.. That very statement would indeed contradict the bible itself.. However it is true that they did thrive in an ideal utopia.. But when they chose to disobey "God" and ate from the Tree of Knowledge they showed their "inperfection" by the immoral decisions they made.. Also perhaps it is our lusts that bring about a utopia..However I dont see us as pursuing our lusts but rather our most explicit desires..

"or perhaps to be ...
By: ussick. on 24 Jun 08, 03:59:16
"or perhaps to be advance to the point that we are god-like ourselves." Isn't that what happened when Adam and Eve ate from the tree in the garden. I don't recall that story turning out well for them. Or for the rest of us either. But that is just a story right? People don't really want to be like gods... or worship the creation instead of the creator... or that would make the Bible kinda true. And we are actually moving away from utopia and following our own lustful desires.

thats a good point ...
By: Orygyn. on 21 Jun 08, 17:07:22
thats a good point maybe not a purpose but thats certainly the long and short of how society functions anyway thanks for subscribing and being the 1st person to comment on my vids ever